Not Now, Honey
I came across this article on CNN.com a few days ago, and it got me pondering my own matrimonial state and a discussion that took place on Turnbaby's BlogTalk radio show several weeks back about "goal-oriented sex."
You should go check out the CNN article in its entirety, but essentially it says that some couples, regardless of the longevity, or even brevity, of their marital state find themselves in "sexually incompatible marriages." So-called experts say this is due to an unhealthy focus on the wedding itself and not on the relationship. One marriage counselor offers that honest communication between the members of a couple will lead to hot sex.
Do I think that couples can be sexually incompatible? You betcha. In fact, at times my own husband and I are sexually incompatible. Is this a problem? Depends. It has been in the past, but I don't think it is now because our situations have changed. Is he still "goal oriented?" Yes, perhaps more than I like him to be, but he is much less so than he has been in the past. Do I still get hung up on the fact that he's goal-oriented (for himself)? Nah, not so much. He's a guy, after all. Whatever I can do to help him along is my motto. Do I still get my kicks? Sure! Sex should be mutually pleasurable, especially between loving adults. Don't you agree? When I'm not getting my needs fulfilled, I don't get embarrassed or frustrated anymore. I tell HIM what I need, or I take matters into my own hands (literally and figuratively). At aged 46, I realized it's just not worth losing sleep over whether or "he got his" or "I didn't get mine." Besides, as my now-retired gynecologist once told me, "Sex really happens between the ears, not between the legs."
As to the obsession with weddings versus relationships, I would absolutely agree with this. I must admit to being a sucker for a wedding. Hubby says I'm a bit of a wedding groupie; in fact, I fully admit to a new habit I've taken up, that of watching the Style Network's show Whose Wedding is it Anyway? I find it disgustingly fascinating that some people consider $28,000 (that's US dollars, BTW) to be a "budget" wedding. WHAT?!
I must also admit to taking 18 months to plan my own wedding, and it was truly a budget affair. Back in 1991, we paid just over $5,000 for a wedding and honeymoon that included: the engagement ring, five sets of round-trip airline tickets (one each for hubby and me to fly home to Indiana for the wedding, return home, and then fly to San Francisco for our honeymoon, and a set of tickets for his cousin the priest who celebrated our wedding), two week's of rental car charges, two weeks of hotel room charges, the reception and all it's glory (booze was a cash bar for hard alcohol; beer and champagne punch provided by my generous parents-in-law), my wedding dress, the rehearsal dinner (deli platters from the local army base post exchange), and gifts to each other. The photographer was paid by in-laws who didn't want us to skimp in this area. Okay, so did you catch all that? I said we got all that bang in a formal wedding for a mere $5,000. (Don't ask me to convert that to today's dollar - I'm dumb when it comes to that. Maybe it does translate to $28,000 - who knows?)
Anyway, my point is that while I was planning this extravaganza, I was also focusing on the relationship. Hubby and I broke an arcane law (that was finally repealed about seven years ago) outlawing the cohabitation of unmarried couples. While we were cohabiting, we discovered some things about ourselves as individuals and as a couple that have held us in good stead. We weathered a wicked storm about a year and a half into our marriage, and today we've been married for going on 17 years (living in sin for nearly two years prior to the matrimonial state). I get that marriage is not for everyone, and I don't condemn anyone for not marrying. I know people who are happily unmarried, and some who are unhappily married. It's the way of the world, and it doesn't determine a person's value in my eyes. But back to the discussion of preparing for marriage and/or The Long Haul, hubby and I took the "Lou Holtz" test before getting married.
What is that you ask? Right after Lou, then head football coach of my beloved Fighting Irish of the University of Notre Dame, won the National Championship in 1988, he appeared on a late night talk show. He mentioned that one of the things he had put down on his list of things to achieve in his lifetime was to win a national championship with Notre Dame. Mission accomplished.
Hubby and I liked the idea of the list, so we sat down in separate corners of the room and gave ourselves about 15 minutes to make a list of things we wanted to achieve, as individuals, before we left this earth. Wouldn't you know, we had about 90% of our things in common. And this was before we were even engaged. When we went through our marriage preparation classes at church, we needed to take an "inventory" that indicates how compatible we are, and lo and behold! We scored nearly identically on that as well.
My point in this not-so-brief discourse? That relationships (whether of the legally binding kind or not) are damn hard. Not so profound a proclamation, I admit, but relationships that are worth it are worth the challenge. Having had one marriage bite the dust very early on, I wasn't about to let this one, one with a person who is in many ways my intellectual superior, my financial superior, my emotional inferior (at times) and, above it all, my partner in equality, go without every ounce of fight in me.
Just call me a sucker for a happy ending.










14 who succumbed to the siren's call:
Well, compatible or not... I'm glad someone's gettin' something...
Mo: Well, there is that school of thought that says even bad sex is better than NO sex.
Fantastic post! You know I agree whole-heartedly with you (which, I believe, is why we are such bestest of buddies - in the IMPORTANT matters, we think alike).
I think I got ya beat in the "budget" department, but I got the BEST soloist and the BEST video ever!! (That, dear readers, would have been Desert Songbird herself and to this day when I watch the video that Land Warrior shot for us, I get CHILLS when she sings "On Eagles Wings.")
Rat Friend: Thanks for the kudos, all the way around. I thought I'd try my hand at a bit of a more serious post than my usual stuff and fluff.
Well, you hit the nail on the head, m'dear! I'm proud to say I've known you every single day of your seventeen years of marriage, too!
Great post - and you brought up some interesting thoughts.
Yes - couples can be sexually incompatible. Marriage is hard work and there are times when someone isn't going to get what they want. (like during pregnancy for example). But - communication is the key and any good relationship can work through their problems.
Besides - does sex have to be "magical" every single time you have it? No - sometimes one partner needs it more than the other and you compromise.
As my MIL said to me when my son was 4 months old...."Sometimes you just have to give your husband sex. Then he's happy."
And here's my thought on living together before marriage - if you can't get along living together before marriage, DON'T get married. Too many couples do thinking marriage will solve their problems.
I'm with Mo :P
Marriage is just not for me. Been there done that no thanks.
Good points. If we don't focus enough on the relationship, we could easily find ourselves falling out of love and not even know it until it's too late.
The Pre-Cana classes didn't help my marriage. But it's nice to know that you guys are still going strong. Cheers!!
I could go on forever about this topic but I'll just say this. If more people put in as much effort before they got married as they do screwing their relationship up after they get married I'd have a different career.
Spending that much time and money on a wedding should be a "hi I am shallow" red alert flag. Sorry but if you need 28k to GET married, how much will you require to STAY married?
Let's begin with the cost of weddings. That is dictated on where you live in the US, IMHO. In the Northeast $28K is CHEAP to get married. The reception alone can be that much depending upon where you get married, the number of guests, the food you require etc. I have also been to Bar Mitzvah's that cost that much BTW....
As far as relationships...well the sexual compatibility of a couple can change over the years. The needs of one can diminish, thus leaving the other partner out on a raft by themselves.
personally, I have always concentrated more on my partner than on me...I actually get as much if not more satisfaction, knowing I have satisfied, than being satisfied.
Compatibility is not about sex alone however...and your tests were a good thing. though I bet I could have taken that test 25 years ago and probably been happy with the results...again - unfortunately - sometimes goals change and those goals become conflicted with each other.
No one goes into a marriage planning on it ending (well normal folks don't)...but sometimes there is nothing you can do but walk away from each other (or shove the other one into a wood chipper - but that gets messy)
Will I ever marry again? I am not sure, but I would guess more no than yes...but that does not mean i can not have a relationship and live with someone again.
I agreed with just about everything you said....having been "unmarried" for a couple of decades my experience is from a slighly different perspective...smile...
Making the list was an amazing idea
-- because those are the things that will last. There are many people who later in their married life become disabled ... and sex will no longer keep them together.
Giving grace, forgiveness, enjoying the life that you have left together - that will.
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